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传统大马士革钢重现人间?

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    发表于 2011-5-1 04:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
    本帖最后由 guaise 于 2011-4-30 15:17 编辑

    昨天上网,偶然看到一个美国刀匠仿制的高加索短剑,用的是一个**铁匠製做的大马士革钢,不是现代瑞粉大马那种多种金属拼接的花纹,而是传统大马士革钢那种牛毛纹。
    仿制高加索短剑网址:http://okknives.com/3.html
    该刀匠对俄罗斯铁匠及其大马士革钢的介绍链接: http://okknives.com/2.html
    另有波斯镜报一篇介绍该铁匠和他的大马士革钢的文章:http://persianmirror.com/Article_det.cfm?id=917&getArticleCategory=41&getArticleSubCategory=117
    同时波斯镜报的文章里还有一些传统大马士革钢和该铁匠仿制大马士革钢的花纹的对比。
    不知各位高人是否听说过此事,或对这种大马士革钢的性能有所了解。

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     楼主| 发表于 2011-5-1 05:16 | 显示全部楼层
    现附上美国刀匠对俄罗斯铁匠及其大马士革钢的介绍翻译。

    The technology of producing the legendary steel, "Bulat" (aka "Wootz" or “true Damascus”), has finally been reproduced by the rising star – Russian bladesmith Ivan Kirpichev. The unique combination of properties such as hardness, wear resistance and resilience is attributed both to the manufacturing technology and elevated carbon content, and not to “micro-elements”. The steel has high mechanical properties for the production of swords, combat and hunting knives. Each finished blade has stunning eye appeal – a very specific pattern formed during smelting and forging, and not due to the hammering of a few types of steel together as in the case of “pattern-welded Damascus”. Unlike this Damascus, Bulat restores its pattern and qualitative characteristics even after being re-melted.
    製做传奇钢材,布拉特钢(传统大马士革钢)的工艺终于被俄罗斯新星铁匠伊万 科比切夫成功复制。这种独特的综合性能如硬度,耐磨性和韧性,是因为两者的制造技术和碳含量升高,而不是“微量元素“。该钢制成的刀剑,无论军刀,还是猎刀,都有较高的机械性能。每个成品刀片都对眼球有惊人的吸引力- 一种在冶炼和锻造时自然形成的,而不是由于锤打几种不同材料而形成的“花纹大马士革“的花纹。不像现代仿制大马士革,布拉特即使被重新回炉,冷却后也能恢复其自然花纹和质量特征。
    Now, the question: what kind of a knife are you looking for? Is it just a nice-looking toy that will be placed on a shelf with a “Don’t Touch!” sign, or is it a stunning appeal, coming from the ancient times, and still “working horse” type of a knife? The modern market is over-flooded with the multi-layer pattern-welded Damascus, but is it really that good? We put through the test our Bulat blade and the pattern-welded Damascus blade, which was purchased at the New York Knife Show. Prior to the tests, each blade was provided with a temporary handle for convenience of manipulating. Each experiment was video recorded and shows clearly that the pattern-welded Damascus blade cannot tolerate the brutal force of the legendary Bulat steel , which can also go through a nail as if it was a piece of butter
    现在的问题:您需要一把什么样的刀?它只是一个好看的玩具,将被放置在架子上有“不要碰!“的牌子,或者是一个非常吸引眼球的古董,还有实用刀类型?现代市场泛滥的多层花纹大马士革是否真的那么好?我们把我们布拉特刀片和在纽约刀展购买的花纹大马士革刀共同进行测试。此测试前,我们给每个刀片提供了一个临时的刀柄以方便操控。每一个实验,视频记录清楚地表明,现代花纹大马士革刀无法容忍传奇布拉特钢野蛮力量,而布拉特钢可以像切黄油一样切断一个铁钉。
    Each Bulat blade is labeled with the Master’s mark and comes with a certificate of authenticity.
    每个布拉特钢刀片都标有製做者的商标和防伪证书。
    The rebirth of ancient legendary steel – Bulat, also known as Wootz or Crucible Damascus
    古代传说中的钢的重生-布拉特,也被称为大马士革Wootz或坩埚
    The technology of producing the legendary steel, "Bulat" (the best material for manufacturing swords, daggers, hunting knives, etc.), has finally been reproduced! Bulat originated from the Persian word pulad, and means steel. The Russian technology of manufacturing Bulat steel was lost in the 14th century and was then re-discovered by a Russian metallurgist, Pavel Anosov, who at the time was the manager of the Zlatoust Metallurgical Factory. His discovery was reported in his manuscript, which received a special note of appreciation from the Demidov's Awards Committee (1841). One of Anosov's first inventions was the method of scythe quenching followed by cooling in a stream of air (1827). The scythes produced at the Artinsk factory (Russia) using this technology received a medal at an Exhibition in London (1851).
    传说中的钢铁,“布拉特“(用于制造剑,匕首,猎刀等最好的材料)的生产技术,终于被成功复制!布拉特一词起源于波斯词pulad,意即钢。俄罗斯生产布拉特的技术在14世纪失传,后重新由俄罗斯冶金师,时任Zlatoust冶金厂经理的帕维尔阿诺索夫重新发掘整理。他关于该工艺的文章获得了Demidov的奖励委员会1841年的特别奖。阿诺索夫的第一发明之一,是1827年在空气流之后刀身淬火冷却的方法。Artinsk工厂采用这种技术(俄罗斯)生产的刀条,在伦敦1851年大展获得了奖牌。
    Swords made of Bulat, created by craftsmen from Zlatoust were not only examples of a fine art, but were superior in combat performance when compared to the best samples of Damascus, Solingen, Toledo, and Wilkinson edged weapons. For example, at the London Exhibition of 1851, the swords made of Bulat from Zlatoust superseded British-made swords. The British "Morning Post" wrote at that time that “the fabulous success of the Russian industry [metallurgy] is determined by the high quality of their steel".
    1851年伦敦大展中由Zlatoust工匠用布拉特钢制造的剑,不仅是精美的艺术品,在作战性能也优于其他厂家,如大马士革,索林根,托莱多,威尔金生产的最好的样品。例如,在大展中,Zlatoust 生产的布拉特钢剑的表现远超当时英国参展的刀剑。英国“晨邮报“写道,这一“俄罗斯工业[冶金]神话般的成功是他们的高品质钢材决定“。
    Most importantly, the Bulat sabers manufactured for the Russian Army according to Anosov's technology, performed exceptionally well during the Caucasus War of 1817-1864. Pavel Anosov received well-deserved recognition for his achievements. He was awarded with the orders of St. Anne (2nd rank), St. Vladimir (2nd rank) and of St. Stanislaw (1st rank). Major General Anosov at a different time of his service was a Head of the Zlatoust and Altay Factories, Tomsk Governor, and the Acting General Governor of West Siberia. The Kazan (1844) and Kharkiv (1848) universities elected Anosov as their Honorary Professor. The secret of Bulat was again lost after Anosov's death.
    最重要的是,根据阿诺索夫的技术为俄罗斯军队制造的布拉特军刀,在1817年至1864年期间的高加索战争中表现超卓。帕维尔阿诺索夫的成就收到当之无愧的认可。他被授予与圣安妮(第二级),圣弗拉基米尔(第二级)和圣斯坦尼斯瓦(第一级)的勋章。少将阿诺索夫后任Zlatoust和阿勒泰工厂管理者,托木斯克总督和西西伯利亚代理总督。喀山大学和哈尔科夫大学分别于1844年和1848年聘请阿诺索夫为名誉教授。阿诺索夫的死后布拉特钢製做的秘密再次失传。

    Recently, it was once again rediscovered by a few Russian smiths, working independently. They were able to reproduce Bulat steel that was comparable with Anosov's Bulat in both quality and pattern. The technology includes smelting in a crucible under very special conditions, forging the ingot, and finally quenching the finished article. Bulat steel has a very specific pattern. Unlike pattern-welded Damascus steel (and similar to the ancient Wootz and crucible Damascus), Bulat restores its pattern and qualitative characteristics even after being re-melted. The unique combination of properties such as hardness and wear resistance and resilience is attributed both to the manufacturing technology. The steel has high mechanical properties for the production of combat and hunting knives. Moreover, each finished blade has stunning eye appeal, the result of a pattern formed during smelting and forging.

    最近,布拉特钢製做的秘密终于由一些独立工作的俄罗斯铁匠再次发现。他们能够製做与阿诺索夫钢在质量和花纹上相媲美的布拉特钢。该技术包括在非常严格的条件下用坩埚进行金属冶炼,锻造钢锭,终于完成淬火。布拉特钢具有非常独特的自然纹理。不同于现代花纹大马士革钢,而类似于古代Wootz和坩埚大马士革,布拉特钢即使重新回炉后,也能恢复其自然纹理和物理特征。该钢独特的硬度,耐磨性和韧性的综合性能,是源于其独特的制造技术。用该钢製做的刀具,无论是格斗刀具,还是猎刀,都具有极高的机械性能。此外,每件完成作品在冶炼和锻造时自然形成的纹理也及其引人嘱目。

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    发表于 2011-5-1 18:58 | 显示全部楼层

    http://www.gecbbs.cn/

    我就在俄罗斯,  几乎隔几天就和刀师见面.  布拉特在这里就是铸造结晶花纹钢,  有4-5个刀师会做,我也收集了很多.现在本人也正在学习布拉特的铸造方法.
    布拉特钢在3,4百年里一直在俄罗斯就有铸造.  
    你可以看看我的收藏1056909644

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    发表于 2011-5-1 19:01 | 显示全部楼层
    确实很锋利, 很难形容.
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2011-5-4 17:37 | 显示全部楼层
    关注这个刀匠很长时间了,有机会能弄一把小直就好了
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

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    看着是不错

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    http://www.ahehome.cn/

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    http://www.potop.net.cn/

    伊万并不是这里最出色的刀匠,可能是美国有人要在美国卖他的刀,事先做的炒作宣传.
    就象维达斯在俄罗斯根本不出名,在中国被经营者炒成超级明星一样.
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    O.K 自己也在Forum上售刀呢
    价格不是一般的贵...
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    真正的好钢

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    http://www.365soso.cn/

    本人并未卖刀,只是你咨询这里的价格嘛! 11# Hitman
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    O.K 是刀匠Oley Krymlin, 寫得不清楚, 讓hongkai兄誤會了。
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    好刀啊 厚重 喜欢死了
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    我很好奇,他用的钢材里稀土的组分比是多少
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